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Possible Orchard Reorganization
May 18th, 2003, 7:24am
 
For quite some time, I have been considering a small but important reorganization of The Mac Orchard’s categories to better reflect recent application trends. Some applications covered on the Orchard involve older, less-frequently-used protocols that are only of interest to a limited component of the Orchard audience. These applications include:
  • Gopher browsers
  • WAIS browsers
  • VRML viewers
  • UUCP applications

    Internet protocols being Internet protocols (in that they never really die, they just fade away), these programs still have use to some people, even though the vast majority of Internet users probably don’t even know what they are.  That said, I have left programs of this type on the Orchard not just for curiosity’s or history’s sake, but simply because they do still provide functionality, albeit in a much more limited form than they once did. For example, even in 2003, it’s still fun to run TurboGopher and see the strange and interesting things that are left sitting out in “Gopherspace.” There are versions of software for older Mac systems that you can only find this way.

    But I often think that many Orchard visitors must think it silly to come to a web site and see categories such as “Gopher/WAIS” when there is so much going on that is more relevant. Indeed, combining Gopher and WAIS a few years ago into a single category was my first attempt at making a consolidated page of “Old Applications That Still Work.” To extend that idea, I am now considering taking all Gopher, WAIS, VRML, UUCP and other such applications and combining them into a new category called “Older Protocols.”

    Additionally, I would simultaneously like to add another page called “Web Services,” to house applications like RSS newsreaders and other such http-based applications that speak markup languages other than HTML.

    But before doing this, I really want to know what Orchard visitors think, because I very much want to make sure this works for you. After all, as an Orchard visitor, the Orchard is your site as much as it is mine. Please share your opinions here in the discussion forums, or, if you feel it’s quicker and easier, email your thoughts to reorganize@macorchard.com.

    Thanks!

    Drew Saur

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    Re: Possible Orchard Reorganization
    Reply #1 - May 20th, 2003, 4:43pm
     
    I vote for reorganizing commercial applications to:

    A) the same pages as shareware/freeware

    B) keep it all on one commercial page, but organize by type (email, web, etc.)

    C) have a second set of pages -- i.e. separate pages for commercial email, commercial web, etc.

    Also, servers ought to be at least sorted within the page as to what type of server.
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    Re: Possible Orchard Reorganization
    Reply #2 - May 23rd, 2003, 8:05am
     
    Yes, I think it's time Gopher is relegated to it's rightful resting place. Pity though Sad

    I also agree with 'atstarr' about reorganising the commercial software pages. It's really difficult to find what you're looking for at the moment, unless you know the name of the product - in which case you'd probably not be bothering, 'cause there's no reviews anyway.
    In short, the commercial pages would be ten times more useful if only they were organised into categories. Commercial reviews would be icing on the cake.

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    Jamie Kahn Genet
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    Re: Possible Orchard Reorganization
    Reply #3 - Jul 9th, 2003, 7:57am
     
    Well, I have been thinking and thinking and thinking....and here is the current plan (feedback still very much appreciated!):

    I have decided, for now, to keep RSS news readers in the "Other" section of the Orchard (and I have added a few more to this section).

    "Gopher/WAIS" will become "Classics" - a section for older applications that haven't been updated in quite a while but that still offer useful functionality. And maybe WAIS will be removed.  Wink

    In preparation, I am working on other changes, removing the few leftover HTML coding compromises left on the site from its massive overhaul two years ago, and thinking about an RSS feed of the "What's New" section.

    I am also considering altering one of the two primary Orchard themes (most likely "Summer") into something less colorful. If you like "Summer," speak now or forever hold your peace.

    Finally, reorganization of the Commercial applications page will occur after the above changes are made.

    As changes are implemented, I will be announcing them here. As usual, feedback is *very* much appreciated!

    Thanks for all of your input so far.

    Drew

    P.S., and reminder to self: time to get the results from the last poll calculated and to get a new poll up, too....
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    Re: Possible Orchard Reorganization
    Reply #4 - Jul 14th, 2003, 6:28am
     
    I think (and hope) you'll like this Idea.  Wink
    I am suprised no one thought or posted this idea, Well these pages are getting large with many progams that deserve a place to be noticed. Very large can be a problem for non-broad band users, I have recently swiched over to broadband and I know the differece in the time it takes to load pages here. On top of that, for the sake of not having to go crazy finding something, I have gotten frustated looking for certian types of programs to compare and find the best. My idea is to have subcatagories, i.e. Sharing/server-client would house KDX, Carracho, hotline etc. Or how about Chat/P2P would house AIM, MSN messanger, ICQ, Yahoo mesenger, etc. It would look better and more profesional, it would be easyer to naviagate and find what you want and it would load faster for those 56K modem users. hope this helps. Smiley
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